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Speak: Hi, and welcome to the
AppForce1 podcast. Back in the
new season, I'm going to change
the format of my podcast in a
significant way because I've
been doing new style episodes
for over 100 episodes, 103 to be
exact, and I just wanted to
change things up a little. And
I'm also doing something really
big this year again, which is
called DO iOS. That's an iOS
developer conference in
Amsterdam on November eight and
November nine. This year, a
workshop the day before on
November 7th by Donnie Walls. So
my name is Shannon Nuts, and
I've been developing software
for over 20 years, developing
iOS apps for over ten years, and
I'm running the Dutch Co-coach
for over nine years. And this
year I'm running the fifth
edition of DO iOS because all
five editions I've been involved
as the primary organizer in some
capacity. So just getting
started about do iOS in this new
season of my podcast, I want to
go over a little bit of the
history of the DUOS conference,
which has been in existence
since 2015, which is quite a
while. So that's already eight
years ago that we did the first
edition of DO iOS, which was
quite a while back. So my memory
is sometimes a bit vague. So the
closer we get to the current day,
the more detail I can share. But
let's just get started with the
first edition of DO iOS in 2015.
Then we go to the second edition
in 2016, the third edition in
2018, the fourth edition last
year, 2022. And then finally
this year's edition 2023. So
let's get started. 2015. Back in
2015, I was still working at a
consulting company called Ziba
and at CBI. They always let me
and my colleagues do a lot of
things that we sort of enjoyed
doing, and one of the things
that they were exploring was
developer events. So in our case
a conference and something that
we noticed or that I noticed
that was missing in the European
marketplace for conferences was
a really nice iOS developer
conference. First of all, in
Amsterdam, because there was not
a lot happening then and also on
the European scale, there was no
events in the second half or the
fall or winter of the year. So
there was like a really empty
space after some say September
till January for like a European
iOS developer conference. So I
suggested to my then employee
Ziba that we should jump in this
space and hopefully get some
sort of iOS developer event off
the grounds. And we started
organizing because it was
approved and I was able with
somebody from the marketing team
and expecting Ziba, Wendy, to be
able to start putting together
this conference. And in 2015 it
actually happens in November.
And that was
an amazing thing that happens.
And we were a team of six people
organizing and five of those
people were heavily involved and
we had a nice number of sponsors,
a large bank, some app
development shops, TopCoder even,
and CocoaHeads, and I was
already a community partner back
then. I know us because we also
helped me set up CocoaHeadsNL as
a separate legal entity. And
yeah, just now look at what
CocoaHeadsNL is, it's amazing
and it's been in existence for
almost a decade now, at least in
the format that that we set up
back then. And 2015, we had like
a really nice set up a single
day conference. Daniel Steinberg
doing a university day, which is
like a workshop. I think it was
the day before a swift 2.0
kickstart introducing the swift
programming language. That was
back in the day when Swift was
still in its early days and it
was like changing fast and yeah,
a lot of things were still
unexplored with Swift and it was
not a mature language as it is
nowadays. So on November 10th we
had the conference de single
track, um, with a number of
speakers and we were in a
location called Pacos. This Viva
Bakehouse, that's the Dutch name
for sort of like an old storage
facility. So back in the day
when I went round, Harbours had
like these really big blocky
buildings that were store all
kinds of bags of goods.
Parkhouse This vehicle was one
of these buildings in the old
Amsterdam Harbour, and at some
point this space was converted
and reconfigured to be like an
event space and it has a nice
venue with three big screens
around the central area, so in
front into the site and it was
very unique. And what was
interesting back then was that
it was a really small, intimate
setup. So we had like, I don't
know, room for something like 60
or 70 people and it was the
first edition and it was
successful according to its
attendees, but financially it
was not so successful. It costs
about twice as much as compared
to what it was bringing in
financially. But that's okay
because the whole purpose of the
entire event was promotion of
the exhibitor company and brands.
So there was some slack and in
the budgets to actually spend
money and make it like an
awesome event compared to its
size because we did a lot of
like neat things, good food,
things like that to make sure
that people really enjoyed the
event. So onwards to 2006, in
the second edition of Do iOS,
and that's also when the
colourful colour scheme became a
thing for Do iOS. It's really we
adopted, it's sort of like the
thing that allows people to
recognise Do iOS. We again had a
at a conference and what was
interesting back then was that
the we again did a single track
conference in Parkhurst,
inspired her with
a workshop day again the day
before, and something very
interesting happened in back in
2016 because the image is still
available online from both Donny
Wals and Antoine van der Lee,
and I believe it was one of the
first conference presentations
by Antoine. And Donny was also
basically getting started in his
Irish development career mostly.
And yeah, I personally like to
think that they started a lot of
their success, in part with the
presentations and the
participations that it did with
the Do iOS Conference, but
that's maybe wishful thinking on
my part. I just know that we
were happy to have them and they
really enjoyed speaking at Do
iOS in 2016. And it's it turned
out to be like a lasting
relationship with these two
amazing software developers
amongst a lot of other software
developers that have presented
at Davos. But I just wanted to
name these two specifically
because, yeah, they're they're
like part of the they're like
very visual visible parts of the
Dutch iOS developer community
and they always have been
advocating for iris development
in some form or shape. And they
each in their own way, made a
very successful career out of
being an iOS software developer.
Um, we also had a number of
other interesting people like
Jorge Ortiz, Steve Scott, Iacono,
Naka and Natalie about this and
Rob Napier. So some some
interesting names from the Irish
community back in the day and it
was a successful conference
again. But again the income was
significantly lower than the
spend on the events. But again,
Xebia was sponsoring this event
as its main organizer, as a
company. I just got to get
approval for spending budgets on
specific things, but it did
learn a teach a lot of things to
me, to what it takes to actually
run the conference, what the
financial risks are, what makes
a conference successful, but
what makes a sponsors interested,
especially. And just to see
where we would end up with this
event was a very worthwhile
exercise for me. And then
something interesting happened
because what was interesting
about the 2016 Do iOS conference
was that at that time I was not
working at Isibaya anymore, but
they did hire me as an external
consultant to help organize the
event. And I did leave CBA for a
specific reason because TBA was
slowly but gradually moving out
of iOS development as one of
their core competencies in their
company. And yeah, that resulted
in 2017 not having a do iOS
conference. So it was a quiet
year for the conference. We
thought long and hard because I
was of course involved with
CocoaHeadsNL and was doing my
own things as a separate, as a
different job and with AppForce1
and all those things. But what
was interesting then was that in
2018 we basically got on the
phone with CBA. We noticed that
they were not doing any iOS
development anymore, at least
that we know of, that we were
aware of, and we just outright
asked them, Would you be willing
to transfer all assets and all
IP related to do iOS? So the
non-profit CocoaHeadsNL, and
they happily agreed to that
because they did see the value
in Do iOS continuing and just
being a part of one more do I
iOS conference as somewhat of a
sponsor in a sponsor in the
sense of that they basically
allowed us to continue the event
in a way that we thought was
suitable, and we did it under
the stewardship of CocoaHeadsNL,
though. So it was a community
effort with the organising team
of Do. I was a sort of
CocoaHeadsNL and we were able to
put on another edition of Do
Iris in 2018. Something that was
interesting is that we did move
the event from podcast to
survive to what was then called
the Student Hotel in Amsterdam
because of the unique feature
that the student hotel had was
that they had like a room
downstairs that would fit 120
people, which was just about the
perfect size for dual use and
the additional spaces and the
hotel was attached to this venue.
So very convenient if you were
attending to iOS and also very
convenient for us because we
just had to make sure that
everybody was in a single
building. And then once we had
everybody in the same building,
it would sort of be okay to, to
make sure that everybody was
like getting to where they
needed to be. So in 2018,
because we had like an existing
network with CocoaHeadsNL, we
were able to sign up six
sponsors and we were able to
sell all tickets. And that was
in part possible by some amazing
speakers that we had. Daniel
Steinberg, for example, but also
on the helicopter from Agenda
Dotcom, which is an Apple Design
Award winner. And we had Boss
Brook as one of our speakers and
he was back then he was doing
the Swift Weekly newsletter.
Then he at some point moved into
Apple and he's I think now out
of, um, out of Apple again,
doing his own thing again. But
it was really amazing to have
him as a speaker as well. So we
were with six, uh, six sponsors.
We had good ticket sales and
this was the first edition of DO
iOS that was in some way
financially successful. So some
way financially successful. What
I mean is that at least we did
not spend more than that. We
spent sort of time that we got
into the company. So and that
was amazing. S with that now
happening, we were like
confirmed in that we were onto
something with do iOS, Google.
We were able to execute
something that at least did not
cost us any money And we were
basically able to build up some
reserves for CocoaHeadsNL, and
we had the benefits of this
financial reserve. Ever since
with CocoaHeadsNL, which was a
good thing to have. So that was
2018 and we wanted to do another
edition. At least we were
considering it in 2019. But then,
uh, there were like these rumors
coming from China. There was
some, some, some flu type thing
going on. And fortunately we
decided not to execute on do, I
guess, in 2019, which was a good
call. So just for context,
during the summer of 2019, I was
putting together a workshop with
John Read about unit testing on
on iOS and Xcode. And right
about when we had that going, we
had plane tickets booked for for
John. He was already in
Amsterdam actually, and we had a
lot of tickets sold. Then
lockdown started to happen and
we had to transfer the event
from an in-person event to an
online event. Had to do with a
lot of ticket cancellations by
attendees. And in the end we
were able to execute on the unit
testing workshop at John Reed,
um, without it costing us any
money. But we were not left with
a lot of money and it was a
scary thing for a few weeks
whether or not it would actually
still, uh, whether or not it
would not cost us money in the
end. So that basically withheld
me from doing do I was in 2019
and we were not able to do it
for two years. So not in 2019,
not in 2020, 2021. It felt just
a little bit too tense, really,
because we were like coming out
of the lockdowns and it was, um,
it was still I think we still
had like lockdowns going in the
winter of 2021 and then 2022
started and basically the world
started opening up again. And I
went to Swift Heroes in Turin.
And it was amazing to to meet
people in-person again at an
event, talk about software
development, just having a good
time together. And it really
reinforced the belief within me
that it was a good time again to
start thinking about putting
together another do iOS. And
over the summer, we started
organizing. I think it was right
before or right after I came
back from 360. Edith and 360. I
def unfortunately had its last
edition in 2022 due to financial
reasons, but we started
organizing and onboarded
sponsors. We had Firebase from
Google and we had Stream, my now
employer and we had Jeremy Swift
Developer Academy, which was
great sponsorship to have, and
we had an amazing speaker lineup.
We had Antoine finally we had we
had Donny Walls again. We had
popular Leah Fogel, Daniella for
some Frank and Tim and Ben and
Heather. Stephane you can see
all the faces on the old page on
on do I was on the 22,022 page.
We also had Daniel Steinberg
back Maxim so we had like an
amazing speaker lineup cost a
lot of money to put this
together and to get everybody
flown out to to Amsterdam. But
it was worth it because do I was
was financially successful in
2022. Again it did not have too
big financial windfall that 2018
had, but enough to be able to
say that it was successful. But
there was something limiting do.
I was back in 2022 and that was
the due to the reason that
CocoaHeadsNL is a Dutch
registered nonprofits and we
have an agreement with the Dutch
tech service that if we do not
participate in economic traffic
beyond a certain value, then we
are not, uh, we are not burdened
with doing any tax reporting and
keeping a very detailed
administration and making sure
that we report everything But
with do. I was 2022 and the
other activities that
CocoaHeadsNL has been doing in
2022, we were really bumping
against this financial ceiling
and we don't want to put the
nonprofit across the ceiling
because then all of a sudden the
burden on US organizing go get
snubbed because I'm not doing
coke. That's now alone. We're
doing it. But four, people now
with the four of us, it
basically would put a lot of
burden on us, making sure that
we are able to to to do this
thing because all of a sudden we
had to have to do tax reporting
and all kinds of things that we
don't want to be bothered with
because Coke that's now is about
the community and just getting
people together at a at a
grassroots type of way. So after
long thinking, long
consideration and some
discussions internally within
the Coke itself team, we decided
that I would take on do I was on
my legal entity and we still
have pretty much the same team
behind do I was in 2023. The
only difference is the legal
entity running it, and this
frees up to finance as from the
financial ceiling for do I was
because we can now sign on
sponsorships sell more tickets
because that's the main focus
and just make do. I was a bigger
and more elaborate events
compared to the 2022 edition
because biggest difference
between 2023 and 2022 is that
instead of 120 tickets, we have
200 tickets available. And that
caused us to have to switch up
the venue yet again because 2015
and 2016 were in podcast despite
her 2018 and 2022 were in the
Portal Theater of the student
hotel student hotel now called
the Social Hub. Amazing place to
go if you have smaller events up
to 120 people. And we had to
move to a bigger venue now in
2023 and I'm in, I'm finalizing
the negotiation with the venue,
and the venue will actually be
the Nemo Science Museum right
near the Amsterdam train station,
the Central Station. So if you
ever been to Amsterdam, you've
probably seen this sort of green
looking building like that's
like right in the middle of the
water and that's the Nemo
Science Museum. And we will be
like at the top two floors. And
if the weather is somewhat okay,
we also have two roof terrace
available. If the water is not
okay, we have two roof
restaurant available, which is
basically a big glass box so
that you can enjoy two views but
not get too cold because we are
in November in the Netherlands.
Right. And I think this venue is
really amazing and is very
central in Amsterdam. And no
matter where you are lodging in
Amsterdam, you have an easy time
just getting to the venue
because you just go to to the
central station and then it's a
short walk from the station to
the venue.
So that's going to happen in
this year. And what I want to do
with my podcast now is to just
share my journey organizing. Do
I was 20 or 23, you now know a
little bit of the history of Do
I was I really hope that you are
considering joining me in
November at I was we have a lot
of tickets available we just
started selling them and just a
little bit of detail that is
interesting to to know we had
Super Earlybird tickets
available for €200. And if you
people that have like the Super
Earlybird ticket of €200,
that's like selling them tickets
at cost. We that we're probably
even losing a little bit of
money on these €200 tickets.
So that's why if you buy a
regular ticket, if you want to
spend money, you can spend money.
Please do. Bec then other people
with less means, with smaller
means, they can get like two two
Earlybird tickets, which are
still available. That's that's
the tickets that's gives a
little bit of revenue. And with
this revenue we can start
putting together interesting
things.
And what is interesting to know
is that within the next couple
of weeks, I'm expecting to sign
up the first two sponsors.
Hopefully more will follow
because the more sponsors we
have, the more budget we have.
And also once a sign my first
sponsor, I can also start
confirming the first speakers
for do I was because of course I
have a call for paper open but
that's always a few headline
speakers that you want to
announce somewhat early so that
it helps convince attendees to
actually join Do Iris. There's
already one thing confirmed for
do ICOs and that's the amazing
workshop by Daniel de before to
do a press conference on
November 7th because the
conference itself will be on
November eight and nine. So and
I'm working on getting some more
feature speakers for the
remainder of the events because
for a two day SINGLETRACK
conference, I'm going to need
about 15 speakers, I think. And
so once I have two budgets
available and the CFP ends in
August, then I can also promise
any lodging and flights that
people might need. Speakers I
will always ask, Does your
company
or is your company able to pay
for your travel and lodging? If
they do, your company will get a
mention on the on the conference
and a thank you. Of course. If
not, then I'll need to work with
the budgets that we have
available to see what we can do,
because I don't like doing it,
but it has happened in the past
that we had an amazing speaker
willing to come, but we just
didn't have the budgets
available. And then we had to
pick another speaker who was
living closer to the conference
so that the burden of travelling
this person to the event was a
lot less, which does then
allowed us to actually have a
full roster with speakers that
is still interesting to
attendees. But yeah, you had to
decline to speak speaker just
because they were just living
away too far away from, from
Amsterdam. So that's, that's
always a very hard balance that
you need to strike with, with a
conference and organizing it.
Of course I'm not picking these,
these papers on my own. We have
to see if be open till August
31st. It's an anonymous CFP, so
I and my team get to see what
the contents of the talks are
supposed to be. We make a first
selection based on that and then
we start. Then we will rank them
and then we will start reaching
out to people to to, to work
with them and to come to an
agreement on their participation
on do. I was of course, if you
work at a company and they're
looking to sponsor an amazing
event in Amsterdam, please let
them reach out to me or tell me
who I should talk to because I'm
always looking for sponsors at
this point in time and I just
hope to share my journey
organizing. Do I wash with you
to just see what you guys think
of it, but also that you get
some insights and what it takes
to organize and put together a
developer event. And uh, because
I love conferences and I love
developer events because there's
so many great conferences
happening in Europe, just to
name a few, and it's not a
complete list. You have an A
Spain PL Swift Swift leads Swift
Heroes app DEFCON in Amsterdam
as well. And then just like a
whole bunch more around the
world like Bay Swift and Buenos
Aires. Yeah. If I was in
Singapore and I think Tri Swift
is doing another, another
edition in uh, in Tokyo and
already what has happened was
delicious deep dish swift in
Chicago. Unfortunately, I
couldn't go there. But what I'm
told it was an amazing event as
well. And I think conferences is
not a zero sum game. I think
there's always room for one more
conference. I think because
there's so many iOS developers
and so many software developers
around the world that it's
always great to have an event
near you. And what was
interesting with Do ICOs is that
the at the point in time that we
started expanding the events
into a day thing, we immediately
saw a change in the make up of
the attendees because on the
single day editions it was a lot
of Dutch Irish developers, some
from Europe, but still very near
to the Netherlands. When we
started expanding into multiple
days, all of a sudden we were
getting a lot of people from all
over Europe and all of a sudden
also a large contingent of iOS
software developers from other
parts of the world, which was
amazing because just having a
small insight in what iOS
development is to these people
in their parts of the world and
how they approached offer
developments because they have
different cultural backgrounds.
We do use the same tools, but we
do tend to think a little bit
different about how we approach
problems and it's just just
seeing these these nuance detail
in how people solve problems was
it's always very amazing to to
see. And I really love going to
conferences because what I've
noticed is that you meet people
at conferences and at some
conference somewhere in the
world. I don't know, it's
probably serendipity, but you
meet the same person again and
you just get to catch up. What
they've been doing for like the
past year or the past two years
and what their life has been
like and what they enjoyed most
since the last time you spoke
and and things like that. Just
catching up and just feeling
that you're actually part of a
large global community of iOS
software developers and just the
welcoming nature of the iOS
developer ecosystem, which
surprises me every time, is it's
just great to be a part of and I
hope you will be part of this
Irish developer community in
Amsterdam in November. Add to
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yeah, just get your tickets
because get your tickets early
if you want to support your
local conference because the
earlier you get your tickets,
the more budgets the organizers
have available right then and
there so they can actually start
putting things together earlier,
which takes a lot of the burden
away in the final six weeks
before an event. Beca for some
reason, most tickets are sold in
the final six weeks before an
event and any tickets that we
can get sold earlier, it just it
just brings down the stress
factor by a lot, really. Trust
me. It's it's amazing how many
tickets are always sold in the
final few weeks before a
conference. But if you can put
it together, make sure you get
your tickets early because
especially now in our case, do
we ask? But I think for any
other conference out there, if
for some reason something comes
up, the conference organizers
will always work with you in the
Irish developer ecosystem to
just get you get you saw and
make sure that in worst case,
you get your money back so
somebody else can pick up the
ticket. Thank you for listening
and I hope to talk to you again
soon. And if you have any
feedback, you know where to find
me.