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Jeroen Leenarts: Hi, and welcome
to the 55th episode of my
podcast. My name is Leenarts.
And I've been developing
software for over 19 years
developing iOS apps for over
nine years. And I'm running that
code catch for over eight years
also. I've been podcasting for
one year now, this episode is
going to be a bit different
compared to my other episodes,
because I just wanted to review
a little bit on the past year of
me podcasting. I still remember
the day that I mentioned to my
wife that I would start a
podcast and she asked me, but
why would you do this? And I
replied to her, I don't know.
But something will come of it.
Now I'm a urine. And I think
it's good to look how things
went. In this episode, I'm going
to talk about me. So my next
episode will be double the
content with all the links of
this week, and next week, so
don't worry, you won't miss a
thing. So at this time, I have
105 episodes published 50 have
been individual episodes like
this one, and the other
episodes. So that's 55 has been
with guests on my podcast. So
that's a lot of people that I
actually talked to from a
podcast and I had the privilege
and the enjoyment of having a
conversation with thus far every
participant to an interview of
my podcast has always reflected
back on it positively. Which is
great, because when I started
interviewing, first interview
with with Antoine formulae, I
have no clue what I was doing.
And right now, I still really
don't have a clue. But for some
reason, it seems to be going
alright, and people are enjoying
it both participating and
listening to what I'm doing. And
in itself, that's already a big
compliment. And I must say the
conversations with guests on the
podcast is the part that I enjoy
most of my podcast, because it's
just ways for me to expand my
network to get to know different
topics, different people,
different code bases, and to
just hear how people have
progressed through their
careers. And also some people
actually still have to start or
are starting with their career.
So if I look back on all my
episodes, there's a couple
episodes that that really stick
out to me. And I just wanted to
mention those, one of the most
frequent participants on my
podcast has been Josh holds the
maintainer of the Fastlane
tools. And, yeah, I don't know
why. But every time he's on the
podcast, we have a great
conversation. And we really
bounce back and forth off each
other really well. And what I
also like is that he's, he's
very open about some of the
things he is struggling with.
And also some of the things he's
able to he's been able to
overcome over the years. Yeah,
it's just great to see what he's
doing nowadays. And also that
he's, every time that I reached
out to him, he's always willing
to, to really participate and to
provide his input. Same goes
actually to Anton from the lay,
because he's the person that
actually made me start a
podcast. And he, at the start of
my podcasting, he actually made
me think about what I wanted to
achieve minimal podcast and how
I could strive for those goals.
And actually setting goals would
be a good thing. So I'm Tom,
thanks for that. On those goals.
I wrote down sort of a concept
before I started my podcast. So
I'll just let you know what my
concept from a podcast was when
it started. And then I can look
back on it and see whether or
not it's been successful or not.
So first of all, why do we want
to do a podcast I wrote down for
myself, I wanted to make myself
hurt. I want to build my brand
app force one more so that
people know who I am, what I do,
and that they have positive
feeling with when they hear the
name app Force One. Of course, I
wanted my hands on some gadgets,
you know, microphones recording
stuff. At that point in time, I
really needed to do something
new. I had the side goal of
creating regular content for my
blog. But if you look at my
blog, nothing much has happened
there in the past year, also
wanted to learn something new,
mainly audio editing, and I
wanted to seduce part of my
network that I've built with
Coca hats and now to my own
brand. Still, I keep on working
on coca hats now but because
coca hats now is its separate
entity, it's a nonprofit, I
don't want to, like try and and
market myself through that
channel to that audience,
because that's strictly coca
hats. And yeah, that so that's
an organization with a very
specific goal. But if people
know me, they look me up online
and they they cross over to my
bucket of content so
that that's my newsletter and my
website and my podcast, then I
am allowed to try and markets
the things that I do towards
them basically, that's my brand
and also my book, sometimes a
workshop. And it's it's really
working well that way because
people clearly see the
separation in my work that I
After that, both separate and
distinct buckets, and they
accept that once they step into
my app force one bucket that I
can then like, talk to them and
share content with them. So all
my podcasts I wanted to targeted
at a specific group of people.
And that's mostly software
developers who are specialized
in iOS development. And of
those, I want to make sure that
those were people that have less
of a focus on following the
latest articles and events.
Because I can do that for my
audience, I can curate that
content a little bit. So why
should people listen to my
podcast? That's a question that
I asked myself, I want to do to
do a recap of the week. So in 15
minutes, you are mostly up to
date on any useful and current
trends happening for iOS
developers. And the channel for
that is, of course, by sharing
articles with my audience, and
provides sometimes the
occasional tool to become a
better craftsman or cross woman
with your software development
skills. So you notice in my
content that I share, there's
also something sometimes in
there that's not strictly
software development related, so
the tech side of things, but
also things like note taking how
to work within a team and stuff
like that. So and the name of
the podcast, I came up with Air
Force One news and information
for iOS software developers.
Yeah, that that name stuck
around and episode length. I aim
for 15 minutes. So usually, I'm
a little bit below 15 minutes,
but that's fine, I think. And I
wanted to be consistent with
publishing my episodes. And I
think in the past year, two
times, I was unable to reach my
self imposed deadline. So let's
let's go over this list and see
how things went. So on the first
one, why I wanted to do a
podcast to make myself heard. I
think that's working out pretty
well, because I have a steady
listenership. I'm still trying
to look for ways to grow that.
But I much rather have people
listening to my podcast that are
fully invested in, in what I'm
doing and that are like engaged
and that hopefully also
occasionally reach out to me on
Twitter and share their thoughts
and also reply through Twitter
or maybe even ask if they're a
good guest from a podcast also,
on building the Air Force One
brand, so I think it's been
pretty successful. I've been
able to get a listenership to
have people on my newsletter.
I'm slowly but steadily growing
my, my Twitter following as well
haven't passed the one key yet.
Then on the topic of gadgets,
yeah, I started my podcast, I
did some investments, bought a
microphone, bought an interface,
got some software, and stuck
with that with those tools ever
since. I think mostly because
they've been working pretty
well. For me, I wrote a blog
post on what I'm using. That's
on my personal blog. It's still
the same stuff that I'm using.
Maybe someday I will upgrade my
microphone. But I like what I
have. I like the sound that it
provides me and I think it's
good enough. On learning
something new, the audio
editing, it's still an ongoing
project. I'm using Hindenburg
Pro. And it's a convenient and
easy tool to start with. But the
depth of the tool is amazing.
Keep on finding new and
interesting ways to improve the
editing experience and to just
be able to edit my podcast
quicker, really. And yeah,
that's, that's all right.
Really,
I highly recommend Hindenburg
Pro, if you ever start to do
some sort of narrative audio
content editing, on transferring
people from my cocoa hats
network to my personal network.
I have no clue. I haven't
measured it. But I'm fine with
it just because I've met so many
new and great people through my
podcasts that the growth of my
network. And it's it's been it's
been amazing how quick it's been
going up and up and how many
people actually reach out to me
with questions and stuff that I
want to share with me. So yeah,
I think that's that's pretty
good. That's something that
Antoine formulae tried to
instill in me. And that's
creating goals. So the goals are
worked with I have seven goals
defined right now. The first one
is within three months, I wanted
to make it a habit podcasting.
So I wanted to create a minimum
of 14 episodes achieved that
easily. I wanted to achieve an
average of 200 downloads per
episode. Got that I wanted to
build my app for one brand, by
having 300 followers on Twitter
also reached then the next goal
that I had defined after that
was reached 60 episodes. Got
that one as well. And now I'm
trying to get to an average of
300 downloads per episode within
one day. Still haven't reached
that but if I look at my long
tail does look like I'm I'm in
that that area and 300 episodes
It doesn't sound like a lot to
many people. But I just wanted
to share some some stats on that
review, because on the hosting
platform that are you
Buzzsprout, there's actually a
sort of a list or page that
lists how many on their
platform, of course, how many
downloads, podcasts are having
within the first seven days. And
just Just for reference, so
you're a top 1% podcast, if you
have 4237 Episode downloads in
the first seven days, so you
publish an episode, and you have
this number of downloads, you're
in the top 5%. If you have 711
downloads in the first seven
days, you're in the top 10%, if
you reach 296 episodes in the
first seven days, so trying to
reach that top 10% ranking with
the niche that I'm in. So I'm on
my way, and just having found
this global stats page of
Buzzsprout, it really puts some
perspective to how my podcast is
doing because people are used to
blog posts and page views. And
people are always talking about
10s of 1000s of pages huge each
month. And yeah, with a podcast,
it's very hard to get to that
number. And also what I really
try to do with myself, if I'm in
like, sort of like a down day,
you know, like, do the podcast
and why should I do it? And then
what I just do, I close my eyes,
and then I imagine I'm in a room
that has 200 or more people in
front of you listening to what
you're saying? Yeah, that's kind
of motivating to just get
started again, and to just make
sure that you get the episode
out and and serve your audience.
And then it also at least me up
in a way that yes, there are
people who are out there waiting
for me to publish my episodes.
So that's a good feeling,
actually. Um, so the next aim
that I also had was reach 600
followers on Twitter reach that,
I'm now working my way towards
1k followers on Twitter. Now,
why Twitter? Well, it's the most
convenient social media that I'm
using. I don't like Facebook,
tick tock is not my thing. And
on Twitter, I noticed that
there's a lot of iOS developers
on there who are actively
engaging in a positive way. So
that's why I picked Twitter and
why I stuck with Twitter. So
yeah, that's all going
reasonably well. And now it's
just a matter of working on
making sure that that I reached
the next milestone. But let's
define another milestone,
because I'm now one year in what
would be a great other milestone
from a podcast. So let me think
so 1000 followers on Twitter, I
reached 100 episodes, would be
great to do another 50 episodes
150, like in in half a year. But
I know I will be able to reach
that if I just stick to it.
I don't know. I'm trying to come
up with something. Because right
now I'm just doing podcasting.
And I'm enjoying it. And I'm
just keep on doing it. Because
it's just yeah, just for the
heck of it. And so yeah, if you
have any suggestions for goals
that I should strive for within
the podcast, just let me know,
because maybe I'll just pull you
into my, one of my episodes and
discuss why you think it's a
good goal for me to actually
work on. Next topic, how much
money am I making with
podcasting? Yeah, about that.
Judge, I have some sponsors, I
have a little bit of income of
people who are like, Oh, my pot
fanpage. I have a little bit of
sponsorship on GitHub, but
everything combined, it just
does not cover the expenses that
I need to make every month to
keep my podcast going. So to
host it to have the email
address, I have to host name,
everything. And that's fine,
because it's a hobby, and the
hobby is something you just do
for enjoyment. And I know my
podcast is really small time.
But yeah, who knows, maybe in a
year from now, or whatever, I
don't know what I'm going to do.
Maybe at some point, it's, it's
the typical hockey curve that
I'm achieving with my podcast. I
wouldn't know whatever would
have to do with that. And but it
sounds scary to me to publish
episodes and have 1000s of
people listening to it. But on
the other hand, it's it's worth
to dream about something. Right.
So then the next topic is What
did the podcast bring me in the
past year? I started my podcast
on October 13 2020. So that's
like smack bang in the middle of
T Corona pandemic. What did it
bring me? Initially, I came up
with the idea of creating a
podcast because I just wanted to
engage with people just talk
with people share with people
really, and it seemed like a
format that I might enjoy doing.
But the actual inception of my
podcast is a talk I did for the
Koko Hudson l meetup because we
were switching to an online form
as well because we had lockdowns
in the Netherlands. And I did a
video recording for cats now and
I felt totally awkward, like
uncomfortable. No audience
sitting in front of my computer,
looking into a camera, talking
to a microphone and just
recording myself and hoping that
I was doing okay, that was so
uncomfortable. So I really
needed to do something to make
sure that I was more comfortable
with talking into a microphone.
So what's the best way to do
that? Maybe podcasts, you know,
record yourself and publish it.
So I did that. And if I listen
back to my first episodes, it's,
it's, it's very interesting to
hear yourself a year in and then
just compare, like I did in my
previous episodes, a little bit
of the content like a year ago.
And then compared to how I do
things nowadays, and also how it
sounds nowadays. So the reason I
started my podcast was to train
myself and being less
uncomfortable talking into a
microphone without anybody
around me, and I think I'm doing
okay. One of the things that I
still have to deal with is
sometimes getting stuck on my
thoughts and not expressing
them. Well, something I'm
working on. And I'm really
trying to find ways to get even
more comfortable with that maybe
I need to do some training on a
microphone technique. At some
point. I don't know, if there's
a microphone expert out there.
Just let me know how you think.
I'm talking into a microphone.
And if you think there's
anything I could do to improve
on my microphone technique,
because having good technique
with anything, it really suits
the nerves. If you have
technique to fall back on, I
think one of the things that my
podcast has brought me is that,
because I built my public
persona and my brand online, I
was able to land my new job on
November 1, I think, because
already I had a solid resume,
good software development skills
are good projects, good
companies, I was able to
showcase what I'm able to do
technically, with my podcasts, I
have proven that I can be a
visible and active participant
in the community. Also, because
I wrote a book last year as
well, because just wanted to
share this content. And I needed
to do something with my time
because I couldn't go out to to
Corona. I think that combination
of writing a book and creating a
podcast has been very helpful in
in just giving that extra boost
to my resume. So that are among
a great group of very qualified
people for a job, I was able to
stand out just that little bit
more compared to my competition,
really. And I think that's one
of the biggest things that my
podcasts and my book writing has
given me in the last year is the
opportunity to start a new job
at stream as a developer
relations engineer, but the
focus on iOS within the
developer relations team off
stream. So yeah, that's, that's
just amazing. So one of the
things I'm really bad at is
managing the marketing side of
my podcast, I have no clue what
I need to do there. Because I
listened to a bunch of podcasts
that are specifically at growth,
hacking your podcast and how to
market your podcast and keep on
hearing all the same things. Put
things on social media, engage
with people, make sure that
people hear about you. And I
don't know, I think I'm reaching
out to people on Twitter, and
I'm just doing the a good mix of
tweets on on Twitter, you know,
on content, publishing my
content, replying to other
people's tweets, liking tweets,
you know, just engaging being a
participant on the Twitter
community. And I've noticed that
my growth on Twitter is really
slow, but steady, which is fine.
But I do think that Twitter is
my main magnet for getting
people into my ecosystem. So
getting them to try my podcast
and to start listening to my
podcast. And then of course, I
need to make sure that once they
have a taste from a podcast that
they actually like what you're
hearing. So yeah, maybe I should
do a poll sometime to figure out
what aspects of my podcasts you
like, and what aspects of my
podcast I should improve to make
sure that I have even better
engagement with people who pick
up on my podcast, because I've
sometimes I started podcasts,
listen to it, because somebody
recommended to to me, but yeah,
I don't I don't like it. So then
I move on again. And I can
imagine that that happens with
my podcasts a lot as well. I
think I pretty much talked about
anything that I wanted to talk
about in this episode. Mostly,
it's been me, rambling for over
15 minutes. If you have any
questions, let me know reach out
on Twitter. As promised, next
week, I will make sure to make
up for the content that I'm
missing this week. And yeah, if
you're really if you're a fan of
my podcast, if you want me to
keep on podcasting, yeah, just
reach out, let me know I love it
when people reply on the content
that I share with my podcast.
And if you want to be a super
fan of my podcast, then look at
my GitHub sponsor page, or
Boxtop fan slash app Force One,
because they're always there
that you can support me and my
podcasting journey in a way that
allows me to invest more time
and efforts and equipment into
my podcasting journey. So keep
on listening to my podcast,
recommend people in your network
to have listened to my podcast,
and reach out on Twitter support
me in any way that you'd like
again, and yeah, let's let's
keep on going with this journey
and see what the next year
brings. Talk to you later.