Filip Nemecek, creator of iOSfeeds.com and SwitchBuddy

Jeroen Leenarts: So hi. Welcome to another special edition of my podcast. I'm sitting here with Philip. Philip Nemecek. I hope I pronounced that correctly. And Filip: it's pretty cool for English pronunciation and the difficult name. Jeroen Leenarts: So how is your name pronounced them in your native tongue? Filip: Yeah, it's like your metric. I will try. I hope I didn't mess it up by by trying to spell correctly. So but yeah, I'm like that Jeroen Leenarts: it's a bit different than what I just said. But fortunately, your first name is, is pronounceable in English for anybody? And so yeah, you're Phillip, you do a lot with iOS development. Also with Python, Django development. You have the website iOS feeds. And what am I forgetting here, he also had like iOS, different chats. Any other Filip: chats with people from diverse community also, like Django related projects. So that's the Django feed.com, which is basically out iOS feeds, but for Django, and I also have Django blocks that calm, which is like the iOS dev directory for Django, people. Jeroen Leenarts: Okay, so you could say that you're sort of like the David for we're from, for the Django community, maybe? Ah, well, it's you at least you're doing something that's, by the sounds of it. It's something that you enjoy doing. And it's a lot of things that you just try to provide for the developer community. So and I think it's interesting to dig into your backstory a little bit just to see who feel a bass and where you're from and and what you're doing and how he got started with software development. So let's just start with the beginning. When did you get your hands on the computer? For the first time in your life? Probably when you were a lot younger than you are right now? Filip: Yes. Wow. I would say like, when I was around 12, I would say, I got like my first computer, I think it was like Pentium two, if I remember correctly, basically just for gaming, you know, and trying to just how it works, and no programming at all. But you know, I got into like building my custom pcs later on. That's my first introduction. Jeroen Leenarts: So and at age 12, with a Pentium two. Yeah, that sounds about right. And so you started building your own custom computers? So but did you also already start developing software for it? Or was it something that you picked up later in life, Filip: it was much, much later, it was actually my fifth year in university. So that was, I think, 2012. And unfortunately, that was see, we got our first programming, reduction in the C language is very low level and all and not pleasant. But thankfully, I've somehow got introduced to C sharp, that was like, I will say, six months after I've written my first line of C, and that was much better. We start clicking More, and I started building some small project for myself for Windows desktop, initially, and then I also got into Windows Phone development, which looked nice at the time. But you know, as you probably know, the platform is long on that. So that wasn't the best choice I made. So yeah, that was kind of my introduction to programming with the C sharp mainland dotnet stuff. Jeroen Leenarts: So you mentioned that you picked up software development, or at least writing some form of software in your first year of university. So what made you decide that you want to do an education that involved coding? Filip: And the school was good question. Well, I think it was more like it was, it was a computer science stuff more than programming. So I thought maybe I would be doing something else. Maybe some like it management or support or what, what else can you do? But then I found out that programming is something I enjoy it great to create something out of nothing, basically. So I've stuck with it ever since with some minor breaks. Jeroen Leenarts: Okay, cool. And you already mentioned that you switch from C to C sharp. Was it also during your education? Filip: Yeah, that was at the University when I because I wanted something more pleasant to work with and something that I can actually use for the Windows Phone apps and, Jeroen Leenarts: and, and do you remember what year you graduated? Filip: Yeah. I think that was 2016. I then had like a, say a gap year, maybe characterize it and then I continue to the master's degree, and that was from 2017 to 2019 I would say, Jeroen Leenarts: so you were working as a software developer for a little over a year professionally. And then then the whole pandemic thing hits in 2020. So what was it like for you to be reasonably fresh out of university and then having this this world altering thing happen? Filip: Yeah, I got my first I was joking, like, first full time programming job in August of 2019. So it was like, two months out of after graduation. So and then, of course, the, the pandemic and everything. So we basically started so I started working from home. And I'm basically working from home ever since I've, I was in the office during the summer of previous year, but totally remote. Jeroen Leenarts: And was it? Was it okay, or is it a bit of a change that you didn't like? Or is it? Is it okay, can you manage it, or Filip: I think it suits me better. Maybe, in the, in the beginning, it's a good thing that the pandemic didn't come sooner, because, you know, I needed some guidance from the senior developer and, you know, and code reviews and, and everything, but now it's pretty okay. And I don't have to commute and, and work, you know, set my own hours and similar. So that's pretty nice. Jeroen Leenarts: And you mentioned that, like, two months out of your education, so your master's program, you started this job as an iOS developer, were like, specifically looking for a job as an iOS developer? Or how did you got into iOS development? Really? Filip: Yeah, that was. Yeah, I think it was 2016. I switched from Windows to Mac, I got MacBook Air as my first Mac computer. And then I slowly, like get into iOS development, because since from the time when I did Windows Phone apps, I've enjoyed creating software that can run on device that I have in my pocket, so and I had iPhone back then. So I got into into the iOS development and started slowly learning that so. And I think by the time I graduated, or even a few months, a few months prior to that, I was like, determined to continue with iOS development, because it was something that I really enjoyed. And I thought I'm pretty, pretty good developer back then. And that was the plan. Jeroen Leenarts: Okay. And so you mentioned you switch from, from Windows Mobile to, to iOS? Was it like, a conscience conscious effort to actually make this switch in this direction? So did you pick up a MacBook Air? Because you wanted to get into iOS development? Or did you get into iOS development? Because you so happened to have a Mac available? Filip: Yeah, it was a bit of both, really, I would say, I think at that point, I knew that Windows Phone throw in the future, and not even a viable platform. And I wasn't that interested in the web, with the SP dotnet framework. So since I finally had a mic, I was kind of natural to move to this direction. Jeroen Leenarts: And if you look at Windows, mobile development and iOS development, are the similarities is it different? Is it better or worse? What's your experience? Filip: Yeah, well, that was a long time ago. We do have Windows Phone and Visual Studio but the primary IDE for doing dotnet stuff. I think that was always like but it's the software pretty good software. So no, actually also with the small break I took from the development you know, when I ended with the Windows Phone and move to iOS I don't think I saw the contrast quite clearly but you know, some some things surprised me for example, I was used to async await keywords from C sharp and then I had to learn how to do Completion handlers in Swift and back then I think it was like swift three when I got into iOS development so the closure features are missing data was used to from the C sharp work and know also the storyboards and Interface Builder. That was also quite surprising and you know the to drag from this UI user interface into code and then cry this IB outlet. So I had to adjust quite a bit and Jeroen Leenarts: and can you tell anything about the products that you're working on as an iOS developer? Filip: I mean, like on the side are on my, Jeroen Leenarts: yeah, pretty much both. Because I don't know any apps that you work on yourself at the moment yet, but that's maybe because I haven't seen them yet. I do know that you create iOS feats.com, which has Django based backends. But it serves the iOS developer audience, you just told us that you also have similar sites for people who are into Django development. So it's all very interesting. But I'm looking into Yeah, what kind of things you do day to day as an iOS developer as well? Filip: Yeah. Right. So the firm I work for, it's a small company. And we do mostly clients work with some own in house apps. So I've worked for an for an app for basically buying plane tickets. And also it has some contents about, you know, some articles for travelers like places to see and whatnot, was one of the bigger projects I worked on, that was more for like 13 months, I would say. And then we had also like, another one where we had we got older apps that was initially for I would say, like, I was six, and we had to, you know, modernize it with new design with it, new screens and all the deprecation warnings. And also hang on Jeroen Leenarts: there you saying a code base, iOS six, you had to take all the way from iOS six to iOS 14, Filip: no, not, not really, it was, you know, basically modernize all the time by the previous team. But there is still a lot of old code with Objective C. And so thankfully, I knew a bit of Objective C, but still had to learn quite a lot on this project, Jeroen Leenarts: or the C programming of your education might have come in handy there as well with Objective C. So just as a side note, Objective C and Swift. What's your take on both languages? Which probably you prefer Swift or objective? C? At least that's my Filip: guess. Yeah, well, I don't have that much experience in Objective C. So I don't think I can give like fair comparison, but just the syntax is quite weird, you know, I, I've seen quite a few languages. And that it's, I would say, particularly the square brackets, you know, I was always forgetting to, you know, have the opening bracket. And then also under invite the IntelliSense. The auto completion, you know, didn't offer any, any methods to call. And that was a lot of a lot of learning the syntax and Jeroen Leenarts: and so you mentioned that you at your current job, you you work on a lot of projects, also long term projects. And it seems that you also indicate that you have some side projects of your own as well. So can you talk a little bit about those the things that you do in your own time? Yeah, sure. Filip: So I have a couple of apps on the App Store, but they're not very popular. So that's probably why you haven't heard about them. And I also don't tend to promote them that much, because now they're just small projects, that's, you know, that are free. And I don't want to get like, possibly more support requests and similar, but I have one for document scanning, because I think that's like your one year old. And I had I this one pupil document scanner app in my phone. But I felt like it was too bloated. With all the options, I just, I just wanted to scan the page and have it uploaded somewhere. So I've created my own app, it's called scan it. So that's one then I also have one called chill zones, which was my first like Apple TV app, because you can basically upload any custom video via the iPhone app, and it will show up on the Apple TV version. And you can then play it in a loop to like, have this custom screensaver, even though it's not like a real screensaver, because you still need to play it by hand. But that's another one. And my latest one is called Switch buddy. And that's basically for people who have done Nintendo Switch game console. And the reason for it is that the process of getting screenshots out of switches like super complicated are like four ways. If I remember correctly, we can, for example, take the microSD card out and put it into reader and get the screenshot this way or you can activate some special mode and connect switch to your computer or you can do it with a smartphone. But you know, then the switch will create like a local network and let you scan a QR code. And then you can go to this local website and you have to tap and hold on the older images and save them by one. So I've created an app that simplifies this process. Jeroen Leenarts: So yeah, that's that switch, buddy. And now remember, that's something that you recently published, right. So it's something that's like yes, I think it's like one or two months old now. Yeah. Exactly. How's this? How's it doing at the moment? Filip: Yeah, well, I didn't check the download numbers, because, you know, I've learned not to do it because I guess I always expected my apps to be doing better. Because you know, when I had a few windows phone ups on the Windows Phone store, they had a lot more downloads, that's my iOS app to get, which is surprising. But now the App Store is saturated. And it's hard to promote new apps, or at least for me, so I'm not chickened out. But I, from time to time, look at the ratings and switch but currently has like four ratings. So that's, I think there's room to grow. But that's right version got, like 120 tester. So that was success, which I think, Jeroen Leenarts: yeah, because what switch, buddy, it's it's an interesting process that you went through, because you pretty much looked at what was happening at the network level when you were doing things manually with the downloading of images from the Nintendo Switch. And then based on that, you were able to automate a lot of that process, which which buddy, the app that you have on the app store now, as Can you tell a little bit about what you're doing in the background? Which which body to actually get this stuff. Moving to to to get the images moving to your phone? Filip: Yes, right. So when I first started, like digging into it, I've found out that no, the switch trades, this local website, but actually, my first thought was that I'm going to have to like parse this website somehow. But then I looked at the source code, and there was some JavaScript, it was getting data from another local endpoint, which was just JSON with file names and name of the console. So the first step is to basically construct the local URL and get the JSON and then I can no load all the images and display them in a in a collection view, basically. Jeroen Leenarts: And then it's quite easy to load them into the photo library on the device, I guess. Yeah. Filip: So this is actually harder than to get them from switch initially, because I never worked with photos. So I had to find a reasonable way how to save them, and how to monitor progress and shoulder indicators that something is saved. Jeroen Leenarts: So what was the biggest challenge that you had in this entire project? Filip: Yeah, I think it was the, the photos because now that this like, super old Objective C method to save image to the Photos Library, and I didn't want to use it. So I found a solution with photos kit. But you know, I still had to do like a lot of combined synchronization with the with the states and to show the loading progress and checkmark that it saved. So that was a lot of auto for to No, don't do it correctly and without any issues. Jeroen Leenarts: So you mentioned combine there. So it's switch buddy, a project that you did a lot of, or that you use a lot of combined with and it does contain maybe swift UI or Filip: it's Bill Bill UI kits. Sorry. Because I guess, you know, since at work, we're still using UI kit, and I think we switch to I may come with panels 15, possibly. So I didn't want to like have this additional roadblock, creating my side projects with Swift UI. So I want to do something that I'm comfortable with. And that meant I can focus just on the task of, you know, getting the app to connect to the Wi Fi and get the images and show them. But I would say there's quite a bit of combined to synchronize all the states and two autodidact, different events that are happening. Jeroen Leenarts: Cool. And would you say that switch buddy is a project that you created? Because you had an issue with getting these images from a switch yourself so that you wanted to improve your own workflow when Filip: doing this? Yeah, I would say that's basically Correct. Okay, cool. Jeroen Leenarts: And so let's switch gears a little bit. You also run a website called iOS feats.com. And that's also something that you created, I think, sometime in the last half year, if I'm correct. So what was the thinking behind iOS feats to create that? Filip: Yeah, well, I think I got the idea in November of last year, if I remember correctly, the dates and I was familiar with the I was the director him and I was thinking like, what, what could I create for the community to benefit from and you know, so I get the idea to basically parse out the pulled articles because I realized that not many people have RSS readers and read all the blogs this way. And you know, then I got in touch with Dave Ferber, who runs the I was the director, I asked him if he if he would be okay. If you know if I would, if I would use this as a sort of send me was like, Yeah, sure. But there are already like two sides who do the same thing. So, you know, at that point, I thought, well, I don't have to do this project. And I kind of was the idea and Yeah, and so I'll get my timeline correct here. Yeah, so but, you know, I still wanted to build something, preferably with Django to kind of refresh my, you know, my experience with it. And so my, another idea was to basically replicate the I was the dev directory for the Django world. So that's the origin story behind the Django blogs. And once the Django books was up, you know, I just thought that, hey, maybe I'll do the iOS feeds for the Django instead, since it doesn't appear that it exists in this space. So I've created a Jenga feats and launched it. And then it was like, you know, since this is already done, I can just, you know, create new design and launch it for the iOS. And I took another look at the other websites they've mentioned. And I know for some reason, they seem like they were abandoned, like they were still running. But I think the one had, like, the I checked, save 30, or 40% of the articles on the front page weren't related to iOS development for some reason. Or maybe it was from the blocks that changed, focused or whatnot. And they were like, no react native Android web. So I think in you know, that's, this is not relevant for me, and possibly not for other people. So I've decided to launch the iOS feats. Initially, it was just the articles and writer, I've added the YouTube videos and the podcast episodes, and, and most recently, books, Jeroen Leenarts: okay. And so, you mentioned that there were similar sites available, who had like, well neglected content or content that wasn't relevant to the target audience. So is that also an indication that iOS feeds, that the content that appears on the website that it is, in some level curated by us so that you just make sure, by a spell checking every now and then the content being presented on your site is relevant to iOS developers? Filip: Yes, this was one of the dilemmas when I was working on it, because I didn't want to do basically any correlation, because I want to, you know, all the blogs have chance to, you know, be judged tighter by the visitors, basically. But you know, some of the blocks added to today's directory, where along, you know, not focusing on iOS mostly. And so it was a lot of Android stuff and flutter. And so I had to, like manually go through the recent posts and no disable these feeds. Although it wasn't pleasant. But I felt like there was no other option if I wanted to have like iOS feeds site. And then I had to have iOS iOS content. And I'm trying to check it every day to see if there is like, not the studies and some issue with it, new articles, and similar. So sometimes I just article about Android or other stuff tonight, disable just the specific article. And there's also slight few times at least and some issue with importing the RSS feeds. I'm not sure what caused it. But basically, it meant that the front page of the house feeds was just like one blog, because I know maybe someone changed the domain or did something else. And the RSS articles weren't recognized as old ones. So I had to manually clean it up but Jeroen Leenarts: and so the iOS feeds is pretty much a list that you have articles that you check every now and then. But what should people do if they want their iOS blog to appear on iOS feed so that they have better discoverability with the people watching your website. Filip: So the first and only step is to add them to the IRS directory that they will maintain maintain cells, also the banner on the front page that will link to take you there. And if for some reason someone's broke is no data, then people can get in touch and I'll take a look and fix it. Okay, I also have a list of feeds that are active so anyone can open the feed section and search on the page for that block and verify it's is there so, Jeroen Leenarts: okay, so people can can get their content on your website through self service, which is always nice. And what has been the biggest challenge with Creating iOS feeds and Jango feeds because by the sounds of things iOS feeds is a spin off of the Django version of the same website. So it's pretty much the same code base repurposed with different source material. So what were the biggest challenges in getting this all set up and running? Filip: Yeah, it's it's basically one project with two branches. And sometimes there are issues when I have to manage one into other and some, but I think the biggest challenge was to figure out how to not show like, the old articles when you import new blog, because you know, RSS is pretty, I would say, wild west. So some of the blogs don't have the timestamp. And no, it's not standardized. So, yeah, I guess the biggest challenge was to like have a robust importing process that will crash because when I run it, the first couple of times, there are some blocks that just cause it to crash when parsing, so that was that. And also I figured out, they have to have just the recent articles appear, because if, you know, if someone were to add that block, and to the I was the director, they and they have like 50 posts on Reddit, and they will show without this intervention on the front page, because the iOS feeds will see them as a new post. So that was the biggest challenge so far. Jeroen Leenarts: Okay, cool. And so, do you have any other web presence? Besides Jango? feeds and iOS feeds? I think you also have your own website where you occasionally write your own articles, right? Both on the iOS and Django if I'm correct, Filip: yeah, correct. I have my own blog, and couples. Yeah, the Django feeds is feeds, Django blogs, and Phillip nemecek.com, which is like my know how to call this simple site with name and links to other projects. But yeah. Jeroen Leenarts: And let's see. So we talked about your, your websites, we talked about some products that you worked on. WWDC is nearby, so it's just a few more weeks at the moment? What are some things that you hope to get this year from Apple? Filip: Well, I think, I think one of them would be like a better way to manage attributes are strings, you know, when you have like label and some words, that has to be like underlined, or, you know, a link this, this is just trying to do at least in UI kit, I'm most familiar with Swift UI if it improves upon this, but you know, that's just compared to web web. And it's, it's crazy how difficult it is if you have localized, you know, label and then two words have to be like underlined, that's so many lines of code. So that would be nice. And no, maybe something for you I get, which is unlikely. So no. I haven't thought much about it. Be honest. Jeroen Leenarts: Somebody's going crazy outside with no worries, I can cut that. So let's see that. That's always the best thing about recording stuff that you can always like streamline the end result. So don't worry if you need to think about something that you want to say. Let's see. So what I find interesting is that you have an interest in iOS development, and in Django development, why these two worlds? How do you combine those two? Filip: Yeah, oh, well. I think my interest in Django started also when I switch to Mac, because back then I see us to the SP dotnet framework, which is now also under Linux and Mac OS, but it was on Windows exclusive, so to speak. So. And the reason I started to Jango was, I basically want to try to have the ability to be able to build a bet based projects if I ever had an idea for something. So I went around and started looking at frameworks and I knew I didn't want to do PHP or JavaScript on the backend. So then, I guess by chance, I found Django. And after I do initial tutorial, and it seemed to make a lot of sense, it was pretty quick to build stuff at it. And that's, and I've stuck with Django ever since I've used it in my master's thesis and also for some projects that are no longer online. I'm using it for the house feeds and similar for the future Jeroen Leenarts: so so if you would have to explain what Django is to somebody not familiar with the framework and The underlying language, what would you tell them? Filip: I would say I started, it's like Python web framework. And I think the main benefits is it's what's called batteries included, which means it has, like the support for working with databases, it has this thing called Aura, or RM, which lets you define just models. And then you can, it will generate the database for you. So it's similar to core data. And it has its own templating system, you know, with lots of DAX, and just tons of stuff, because it's like 15 years old at this point. So there's just incredible amount of libraries and the Django rest framework, which no, let me create a API for ISVs in like, 10 minutes. It was just, it was it was crazy, crazy fast. And that's library that I'm not, you know, often working with. So yeah, I'd say out. Oh, hope you can cut the cut the ending that. Jeroen Leenarts: And that's no problem. Say, because it's interesting, because I worked with Django rest in my previous role at a small startup company as well. And that, that we were developing like, across the entire stack. So that's from the database all the way to an iPad product. And as an app developer, which I've been doing for the last, I don't know, I think like eight years, what I really enjoy, what I really enjoyed there was the ability to just be working on the front end. So that's in the the iOS iPad space. And then at some point discovered, yeah, but I'm missing something in my API. And it was so easy and so convenient to just switch from Xcode to pi charm. That's, that's a Python ID. Filip: That's wonderful one, Jeroen Leenarts: and then just to like, make some adjustments at what you're missing, and then Publish, Deploy on on the backend, and then proceed again within Xcode. And that's something that I it's like a superpower to be able to influence your own backends directly. Now, I know, it's not for everybody. But in your day job, do you have a lot of influence on the backends that you work with as well? Or? Filip: Well, not really, because the backend was usually handled by either the company that contracted us or no, they had their own back end team. So basically, the only influence was to, you know, go and slack and tell them that, hey, I need this data and on the endpoint and similar. So I agree that being able to create, also, the API or website is, it's just great, because then you can have an idea that is impossible without server and, you know, so you don't have to look for other people to build it for you or pay for the, for the backend to the service, or even for a startup role, and suddenly can do a lot more than just the iOS stock. So Jeroen Leenarts: yeah. So and do you reckon that's sometime in the future? You'll be working on a side project with this with its own backends and an iOS based front end? Or what do you think? Filip: Well, I've not been planted, but definitely possibility. Jeroen Leenarts: And just to step back to Irish feeds, because it's Django backends. Does it get a lot of traffic? Or what's the load? Because you run it on on a virtual server, I think. Filip: Yeah. Well, I don't have any analytics on the site. And for a number of reasons, I didn't want to deal with the Nova cookie notices and GDPR in Europe and no soda. No, just in case it would prove to be not very popular. I prefer not to know, I guess, you know, the popular articles get like, say 50 to 80 clicks, no, just for miles feeds. So I will say that's a bit significant. But that's the only like data I have related to popularity. Jeroen Leenarts: Okay. Yeah. Because what you have in data available from the backend is only what is provided by the Django framework, I reckon. Yeah. And let's see, because I'm just want to make sure that we don't forget anything that we need to talk about. The different burdens started there. Yeah, that's a good one. What are your plans for for this year in regards to iOS development? Filip: Oh, Hmm, well, I'm not sure I usually don't make any, like plans for the future. So I know, I'm still thinking like, if I should finally get into switch to Iota, right, and until it's adopted, where I work, because I think it's then a bit too much to, you know, do you like it full time and then also try to switch to the Swift UI mindset, which is very different with older, no declarative style, and also, you know, the Django and JavaScript which I need for for the web based stuff. So that's one. Yeah, I guess. I don't have any plans. Yeah. Jeroen Leenarts: That's, that's okay. That's something I did want to check is this one. So, Philip, Where do you live? Currently? Filip: I live in Barbosa. In Czech Republic. It's a smaller city. It has like, under 1000? Well, probably cats. Got the end there. But just the city because Jeroen Leenarts: Anna no worries. Um, so yeah. You live in the Czech Republic? And you studied also in, in your own country, I guess. Yeah. At what university? Filip: Did you get your master's degree? That was the local one in Purdue itself. So Jeroen Leenarts: so. Okay. And it was like, a five year program in total. So bachelor three years and a master in two years? Yeah, exactly. Cool. Yeah, that's the that's the typical format that you hear a lot in many countries around the world. And as we already talked about, you got started with computers at age 12. You got into university because you want to do something with computers. During your education, you discover that writing software is something you actually enjoy doing. And you pursued that further during your studies, which resulted in you finding a job as an iOS developer, two months after graduating from your master's program. And in the meantime, you've been developing yourself by creating several websites. So that's the Django feats in the iOS feats website, you also have a few side projects online, as an iOS app available as well, which of which the most well known is probably switch body, a little app that allows you to grab screenshots from your Nintendo Switch. Got it, but But you actually got started with Microsoft dotnet development on Windows Mobile. But then, at some point, you discovered that that platform was was winding down, because Microsoft has, by now, actually, they don't sell any Microsoft Windows Mobile phones anymore. So then you switch to iOS development. And now you're doing that for, I think, close to two years professionally. And I think you're enjoying yourself quite a lot with all the things that you're doing. Because online, you're very active, and you publish a lot of different things. And I really hope that we see a lot more great things by your hand in the future as well. Because I know that it'll be interesting to see what else you can come up with, because you already had some nice ideas with several things already. And so yeah, with that, how can people find you online? You already mentioned your website, but what's your website, URL? Filip: Phillip limited.com, all one word that you can find my Twitter account, the blog, and I will feed Jango feeds and all the other stuff that I do. Jeroen Leenarts: I'll make sure to link up everything from my show notes. And for those people listening, definitely check out iOS feats.com Because it's very convenient way to discover some new articles on iOS development that might be relevant to your work as well. And Phillip, thank you very much. And thanks for the invite. And we'll talk again soon